any one ever here of this "24/12" cycle?????

[Budweiser 3]

a feiend of mine at work tell's me that you get bigger and better bud's on a cycle of 24/12. anyone ever here of this or even think it's doable or is just a bunch of bull-****. he claims that by extending the light period it gives more growth to the buds, says that as long as the dark time is alway's the same AMOUNT of time12hr's that it does not matter that you have extended the light period "THE PLANT KNOW"S no DIFFERENCE" sound right or "NOT"!!!!!! " re-ply's please"

[UKStealth Bonger]

Not heard of that, but that means nothing..... I have read every where that the important factor is to keep the light down, this makes the plant think it is coming to the end of the season... That's why they flower... Best ask your friend how much he grew on his last grow and what the Oz per plant was......? we may all be able to learn from this... not neccesarily the same thing though....

[Budweiser 3]

what your saying kinda makes sence to . maybe were on to something, il get more details from him, he said that it put the plants off a week or so longer than norm but said he had "HUGE" colas this way and strenth was up! will ask about yeild and let every one know. "Peace"

[mystical]

sounds interesting

[LOGICAL]

im more tea vicor

[Budweiser 3]

what the hell is "TEA vicor" dude!

[Budweiser 3]

hey "CW" "HERBSPARKEY" "RASTA" "AGROW" what do you all think a bout this!?!

[Administrator]

No idea man. Never done it and never will. I went to 13/11 and like that a lot, but there are only 24 hrs in a day so that in my opionion would screw with the plants maybe even cause hermies. Again I have not done it so I can't give an accurate responce...only my opinion.

[Budweiser 3]

thanks" HSPARKY" thats my thought exatly "hermie"!!!he sais it works so i told him to do it and let us "See" via pic's right "L" !!!!!!

[Administrator]

Hey if it works for him great. I want to see the proof sense this is so far out there. Knowing what I know about how hormones play a crucial role in the plants flowering, and how those hormones are directly related to how much light they recieve I would be willing to bet against the 24/12 working, but I try to be open to new ideas. So if it truely works I am willing to hear him out, but I would have thought someone would have tried it by now.

[Budweiser 3]

thinking about it, how does it differ from 24hr's durring veg, in real life out side they git what 9-11 hrs of good light a day, so why doesnt 24hr ****-it-up! "i must say it hase me wondering"!!!!!!!!!!

[LOGICAL]

somthing i drunk befofe pissing on your head hehe

[Mrs B]

Not that I'm an expert, but it's been my experience that the buds grow the most during the dark cycle.

[hydro convert]

agree with Mrs. B. My grow seems to pop overnight.
I have 2 plants that I am growing. I hide one away earlier in the evening and let the other sit for an additional four hours in the light. The one with the most light has developed faster than the one with 16 hours of darkness. Now this isn't very scientific in the manner it was conducted and each plant is a different strain, which could (and surely does) play major factors in their development. However the one with 12 hours of light does do better. I think it might have something to do with the momentum of the physiology and the reactions that take place within. Kinda like a battery and stores energy. The calvin cycle does differentiate between light and dark reactions although I would have to look it up to see what takes place during each cycle. The dark reaction doesn't mean it has to be dark to take place though, only means light isn't required for that certain aspect of the cycle to take place. Hey an idea for another topic, maybe something to look into. Classes have started again so I may be slow at posting it though. Peace everyone.

[MrBoJangles]

I have heard of this before posted by some people on OG who sounded pretty knowledgeable - it does work, but it prolongs the flowering time obviously....you need to buy a digital timer which can be programmed to do it. Its not been done too too often though and I have no idea whether there is any agreement to whether or not its worth it as far as yield vs. extended flowering time - but yes its the length of the dark cycle that tells the flowers to start popping, not the day, so as long as you have 12 hours occurring on a regular schedule they will flower with this setup.

[Mrs B]

I'm not talking about the length of the dark period triggering flowering. I mean the pistils seem to do their growth in the dark. I suspect the plants create their biochemical energy through photosynthesis during the day and then discharge it through actual growth at night.

[Budweiser 3]

"Huh" so it has been herd of and work's! well the guy say's it increases bud out-put by up to twice the yeild. he said he's done it every time this way.he claim's flowering is put-off by 2-3week's by doing it this way. but i dont want to chance it this being my first grow in-all, no what i mean vern!!!oh' "mrs.B" i agree with ya on the bud growth in dark-cycle!!! im going with a 11/13 flowering cycle just to be safe!

[Mrs B]

If he's done it that way every time, then how does he know it's increased his yield? *Not trying to start an argument here, but it just sounds like he's making an assumption. *I wish I had enough room for 2 grow spaces-- I'd try a few plants each way myself.

(Edited by Mrs B at 9:18 am on Jan. 9, 2003)

[Budweiser 3]

he could be lying his ass-off fore all i know,he still insists that once he try'd it he never went back to a standard time of flowering ever again.!he's starting a grow by this weekend so we will see in time!!!!!!!

[kushman]

Oh right, just to pick up on a point made earlier, I believe the plant during flowering requires complete darkness to build up a hormone that causes bud production, my closet dark when i stand in it and shut the doors, mainly cause light is let in through the gaps in the doors and hinges, I was going to get door seals to stop this.

But someone said the dark hours just mean that your hps light is switched off and it don't have to be completly dark, is this correct?

If I get door seals for these gaps I will definatly have to start drilling holes in the closet and attaching fans for ventalation, I want some guidance with this issue please.

thank you in advance, kush !!!

[Spliffchick]

Kush,
You want total darkness during the dark period! NO LIGHT AT ALL! Seal up those cracks baby, and you're good to go ;). Good luck,
-------Spliff

[hydro convert]

Yes, seal your door. The reason is because they are indoor plant and the dark cycle is relative to the environment they grow in. Most indoor grown plants are used to complete darkness during the dark cycle. Outdoor plants are used to very little light, sometimes a full moon my even be to bright. Like I said it's all relative to the environment they have been growing in. I think a neat experiment would be to expose one plant to a night light during the dark cycle, etc.........

[hellostupid]

:alien:Mrs. B is right-
*:cheesy:Plants do really also grow at nite! *They photosynthesize food in the daytime & metabolize it by nite! *Not only that, cannabis stop breathing Co2&actually start to breathe oxygen that is needed to metabolize the sugars they've jus' created & stored during the day! {4U Co2 Guyz-thatz why u don't use Co2 during the dark cycle.}*No joke! *This is fact. Not fiction folkz...
*How much darkness cannabis need do you say? *Well by tha book...people say 6 hours every"day"...but I have my 15 kidz only using 4hrs myself(i'm experimenting:) )...

*Go with an 18/6 shedule to be safe. *

Use duck tape to seal all them crackz during flowerin'...& veggyin'!!! *This is not only smart...but the safe choice also...
*I've heard about that 24/12 lightin' for da flowerin' shedule before! *You can find similar information at Overgrow (http://www.overgrow.com/faq/browse.php?qa=607)
*:biggrin:I have my own question folks...has anyone tried a 20/4 lighting schedule? *Or should I take my own advice & stick with 18/6?
*:smokin:Happy Growin'!:smokin:

(Edited by ismoke2much at 7:48 pm on Jan. 10, 2003)

[Budweiser 3]

hey" IS2M"have you done 18/6 before and how do the qual/qunt measure up to more standard times like 12/12 and 11/13 http://www.growkind.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif??

[hellostupid]

:smokin:Hey Budweiser3,
:cheesy:When I wuz talkin' 'bout 18/6...I wuz referring to the veggy cycle...sorry. *Didn't mean to confuse anyone!

:biggrin: I'm a newbie much like y'self...and now am into my sophmore year of growin'. *

;) With my last harvest-I had the lights on constantly(durin' veggy cycle)...which didn't seem to hurt them. *My 1st harvest(which jus' a few days ago) wuz a learnin' experience...i made jus' 'bout every mistake *in the book! *I mean I wuz so naive that even i used halogenz...which i'll never use again.:puke: * But with my current 15 kidz...i wanted to try somethin' diffren't. *

:cheesy:My current crop are still on 20/4 into their 1st week with no noticable side effects. *I have them under 6000 luments/sq ft. of flourescents. *The reason that I have them under 20/4 instead of 18/6 for veggy is that becuz I read a webpage that mentioned that 4 hrs. of Darkness was the bare minimum of "sleep" required by plants in general. *So far their doin' great...big phat leaves&tight internodes!:biggrin:

My last harvest I flowered them under 12/12 cycle & they responded great(showed sex in 10 days!)...

I feel that everyone must keep their growchamber light-tight at all times...even durin' the veggy cycle!!! *I know for a fact that at the very moment that the dark cycle kicks in-cannabis plants begin to breathe Oxygen instead of Co2! *Just like we humanz; cannabis require Oxygen in order to metablize. *We humanz don't breathe Co2 becuz our bodies weren't designed to create/photosynthesize our own sugars/food...
*:smokin:I have never tried 18/6 *for veggy...maybe with my next crop after this one! *Happy Growin'!:smokin:

(Edited by ismoke2much at 7:50 pm on Jan. 10, 2003)

[Budweiser 3]

ok' thats cool thank's fer let'n me no "bro" .im still vegg'n fer another 3wk's then its hps time right! im gun'a do 10/14 i figure its my first so i might as well experament with it a bit, thats not that far off normal time's and i want all the growth i can get! so i will let ya no how it goes!PEACE man!!!!!!!!!

[gardener]

I know the roots always need O2. I did not know that the plants took in O2 instead of CO2 though the leaves at night though. This brings me back to a question I have asked before in relation to the roots: why dose the plant expel O2 when it needs it to survive. Sure we would all die if the plants just kept the O2 they made to themselves but it seems more efficient for them.

[Budweiser 3]

i thought they gave off Co2 and consume Co.?http://www.growkind.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.growkind.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.growkind.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? if this isnt the case im really fuckin confused"Lol"!!!!!

[gardener]

carbon monoxide is a poison that comes out of the exhust of your car and your lungs when you smoke. I am 99% sure plants don't like it or produce it.

[Budweiser 3]

your probly right! i dont really know **** about plants to be honest wit ya,thats why there's folk's like yer self to help people like me!!!"LoL"

[gardener]

That is what growkind is all about. I didn't know anything really either til I found this site http://www.growkind.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Budweiser 3]

yeah i wouldnt have what's growing now if not fore "GK"! cause the other sites are just a bunch of rude know-it-all's,i couldnt by a serious anawer!!!!!!!!

[bcbuds4life]

I grow in my closet and have never completly sealed it up. i watch tv in my room when the doors r shut, maybe a little light getsin, but through two grow i haven't seen any problems, mind you i have never tried it sealed either.

[pesoroy]

gardner - you're 100% wrong on the plants not liking or producing CO2. Plants 'breathe' it.

Check it out here http://www.saburchill.com/chapters/chap0025.html